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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
This may be a better description of G9Girl...
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I do remember reading your thread and thinking that it was an honorable and respectable thing to do. Good on ya; keep us posted on your successes.
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Driving a sub, that sounds pretty cool. Let me ask you two questions: When you go down a mile undersea (I'm not sure how far you really go, so simply "deep" may be better) how do you know that the sub won't be crushed?
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Taking a submarine to test depth is an exercise in faith. It's easy to do the math and confirm that the engineers are right -- steel of a given thickness with frames at certain centers will be safe to a given depth. It's easy (but time consuming) to review the paperwork for all of the materials, for all of the work, for all of the training for all of the people who performed maintenance on critical systems. It's easy to look at the history -- this particular hull has been to test depth before; this crew (or about 2/3 of them, anyway) have been all the way down. The hull should be able to handle one more, and the crew is very likely to be able to handle anything that comes up. It's easy to say "Based on all of the data available to me, I believe this submarine is safe to test depth." It's another thing entirely to actually batten down the hatches and give the order, "Dive, submerge the ship; make your depth X feet."
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In your world (belief structure), what are your absolutes? That is what can't be questioned, or tested or refuted with logic. Let's take circular logic off the table now.
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Absolutes? For the purposes of this discussion, I'd settle for agreeing that absolutes exist. Technically speaking, we could go through the philosophic exercise of demonstrating that true relativism is logically untenable, but it would save a lot of time to at least start with the one ground rule that there are absolutes. What absolutes would you like to start with?
FWIW, the point of raising evolution/creation was simply to note that evolution is as much a religious belief as creation. Creation theories assume the existence of a creator, while evolution theories (at least, the fundamentalists) generally assume no god -- and this is what is taught in schools. I don't have a problem teaching atheism, Buddhism, or Zoroastrianism in schools, as long as we counter with some other realistic possibilities. I'm sure you'd take offense if the only thing your children's teachers were allowed to present was Southern Baptist teaching. I do have a problem with people who complain about "separation of church and state" without recognizing that atheism is a religion as well.
Dan