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Dave, I really had full intentions of leaving OT, and you in fact were part of that. We've exchanged a few PMs RE: our pal Geoff and said nice things about each other's projects.
I've always worried about OT bleeding over into tech and classifieds and your post somehow really magnified that concern.
That said, and really, if I have the strenght, this will be my last political post here in OT, I'd want to know what you mean by political spin. Either Bush, Cheney, et al said those things, and I included full context, or they didn't. the above are 100% bona fide quotes.
This is where I really give up. I am constantly providing full disclosure, contextual facts to support my claims, but they are never good enough.
I love debate, really thrive on it. I've got republican friends with whom I really mix it up, but there's always pizza and beer afterward (the great unifiers) but more than that, people listen to points and concede them, they don't just stack on denial after denial, aren't hypocritical and they don't manipulate facts, speech and context to serve their goal.
In short, they are real debates where ideas are exchanged and MINDS are actually changed. this is just people doing their best to prove their points, usually falling very short, and just ending up in insults.
I've yet to see someone change their position after someone else -- side independent -- provides incontrovertible proof.
Take care and see you on the tech board.
Shaun
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