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what we are in the midst of now over there is working?
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So, k911, you're stipulating that "negotiation" as a tactic hasn't worked; thoroughly failing to provide any response at all to the question, and instead trying to deflect the ultimate point of the question with some puerile .... "comment" is even too strong a word.
Though I'll answer yours -- what are we in the midst of now over there that is working? Well, October 9, 2004 was a banner day "over there" that NObody who (i) claimed to be an expert or (ii) believed force always fails or negotiation is The Way believed would happen. And yet, when it did, it was "reported" on page A39 of the NYT, A8 of the LAT, A24 of WaPo (page numbers are approximate).
Do you have
any idea what happened "over there" on October 9, 2004? No Googling. Hint-- there's a similarly seminal event scheduled for somewhere "over there" on January 30, 2005.
What we're doing in Iraq is working -- Hussein is removed, Iraq is no longer a material threat, 90% of Iraq is peaceful and going about its business (tho' if your sole sources of news are the ABCCBSNBCCNNNPR cabal, you can't be blamed for your ignorance on this point, b/c nobody you'd trust would've told you) and elections are -- still -- scheduled for January 30, 2005.
If it wasn't working, Iran and the rest of the shytbags wouldn't be scared and wouldn't be pouring manpower and materiel into Iraq to disrupt democracy. When elections are held in Iraq and a new, secular, authority is in power by the will of the people, Iran will be bracketed by THREE countries which the US has democratized and help stabilized: Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
But somehow there's just GOT to be a way to characterize that as failure!!! There's GOT to.
Blaming America First, Last and Always
requires that there be failure, even if you have to manufacture it, or ignore stunning, world-changing successes and nit pick -- "you didn't change the world
fast enough, or
perfectly enough or without
hurting anyone -- or anyone's
feelings.
AFAIC, so far, so pretty damned good ... b/c we put the jaw-jaw bullshyt aside and acted. Not perfectly, but it's never perfect. You want perfection, start with yourself. We'll wait to hear from you when you get there, but won't hold our breath.
JP