Not to get snippy, but do you guys really think a serious rock crawler (I mean real serious) will ever be released by a major auto company again? I don't, the numbers just aren't there. It gets more and more illegal to use them with each passing year anyway and they attract nothing but bile from the press. The Defender was awesome in this respect and it died a noble death here(sales). If I want a long legged spider style rock crawler I'll build one. For a happy compromise, this new FJ looks good to me