[Superman]

They're fanatical, Tim. I'm not a blood thrower and I accept the notion that their tactics are extreme and that they put an "extremist" tone on their message. They know that. By the time we have this discussion, they have made their point. Their less fanatical arm is working in legislatures and Congress, but not getting press. It's a multi-pronged approach. I'm not justifying it. But we are talking about it. This means they succeeded.

I also understand that drilling will occupy a small portion of ANWR. I think you understand that an oil spill would cover a LARGE portion of ANWR. And I think we both understand that, since everyone agrees that ANWR oil will not make any appreciable difference in the nation's oil supply or prices, this is all about money. It's a convenient commercial venture that is opposed by the majority of the American people. Did I mention that our president has ties to the oil industry?