Thanks everyone for your help , to answer a few questions Yes these are very usuable they are in very good shape they came off of a low mileage engine . They belong to my porsche engine builder... He works on very exotic cars from Rolls Royce to my little 911 T ...He has had these for some time now and couldnt quite remember what project they were left over from ...I told him I would seek out the wisdom of this board (hoping someone would know by the #'s what they were ) and I also offered to assist him in selling them . I assured him that I would get an honest assesment from this forum regarding their value. I'm sorry about the lack of info I know it would be easier with all the facts ...but they look perfect to me but Im not a pro by any means , that being said I also know this guy well and he's not trying to cheat anyone and would be very happy to offer a gaurantee if for any reason they were not up to standards . I have more detailed pic's that i'll try to attach also thanks in advance for your help it's appreciated