[Overpaid Slacker]

Just a little history to mix with your vitriol, steve.

It was largely a Republican movement to end slavery ... and you're again off your meds if you believe I even obliquely implied that it should be brought back. Suffrage is a questionable call, IMHO; but not as bad as letting them drive!!

Would you deny me the right not to have my child indoctrinated in secular ideas that may run contrary to my/my child's beliefs? How far do you want to push this "influencing" thing, anyway? No mention of God in the Pledge of Allegiance? Delete all references in historical texts to the references by our politicians and our fundamental documents to the almighty?

The ever-evolving boundaries will soon push your "civil liberties" into mine. You cannot be so blind as to miss that. There are enough of us (a majority I'd say) who will not be so relativist as to say "you know what, Steve's got a problem with God, so redact all that; but he's OK with Wiccanism (let's just say) so that can go in to the curriculum."

Civil act de facto becomes a civil liberty? Wow. That's all I can say in such a forum as this about an idea so stupid as that. Wow. You've succeeded to 350's throne and scepter. Though not for long, I suspect.

Nobody "takes away" from the church what constitues a Sacrament and it's wihtin nobody's (no secularbody's) power to define what one is, much less restore what they couldn't have taken in the first place.

If you can't (or refuse to) understand that, you skipped more Sunday school than I did. So you can have my throne and scepter on that front.

JP