[wastintime]

Jack, first I was talking about hp per $, not necessarily lower times on a track per $. I do think if you're going for pure horse power, it's cheaper to get it out of a Turbo japanese car than a 911.

even then, I'm kind of shocked to hear you say that $ for $ the 911 is superior in terms of performance. Mainly because 911s are IMHO ridiculously expensive to buy, own, and upgrade. If I didn't work in a Porsche shop and have access to so many tools and materials I don't think I could even afford to own the car let alone modify it for track use. I've seen pics of your car, and read a lot posts about it, and you can't tell me that car was cheap to build. I'm sure it's fast, but you must have spent a good bit on it to get it there. I'm not being nosy, how much someone spends on their car is their own business, I'm just really surprised you'd think they're cheap to modify.

My experience as far as Subarus vs. 911s is pretty much the exact opposite, Leh Keen who races in the grand-am series for Autometrics took his personal stock STi to Roebling and on the stock street tires turned 1:23s... that's flying! BTW, he did say the same thing you said about the gearbox. Granted, he's 10 seconds faster in his GT-3 cup car, but most pretty well modified 911s, cannot turn those times on street tires. I know of a few professional racers in highly modified like 1900lb 911s who turn 1:17s on R-compounds. I would think the STi could close that gap pretty easily with some mods and tires... I don't know what it would take to get it into the cup cars' 12.9 range, but still... I can't imagine it could possibly be as expensive as modifying a 911 to perform as well as a GT3-cup car, or buying a GT3-cup car.