[Superman]

Agreed. You can always count on hearing some prime bull**** when someone points the finger toward the group they do not associate with and opens their mouth. There have been occasions in our discussions here (which I highly value, by the way), where we have stripped away the labels and assumptions and just clearly stated our hopes and interests. Then, together, we have noticed the many fallacies in our beliefs about the "other" guys. Madison Avenue has considerably less marketing skill than Capitol Hill. We are being deliberately fooled. Our core beliefs and values and interests are not so divergent as we have been led to believe.