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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
bryan:
And racer: What programs were there 100 years ago? Read your history. FInd out before asking. Families back then were in many cases large and extended, many times three generations in one house or apartment because wages were so low. That ani't the case today; too many prople out there to get all they can to worry about the life condition of others, even that of parents and siblings. Your lack of information on the subject of social improvement over the last two centuries shows me an individual who is, at the very least, not well read.
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Moneyguy1
That is correct, families took care of their own, NOT the Government. You made my point. People didn't live beyond their means, so why should we have to pay for those who chose to do so History was one of my strong subjects and since my grandmother was one of 13 kids, and the lived on an old plantation house in TN. I am informed, and from your own post, how can you call it social improvement ??? When my grandmother was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer, did we put her into a home, hell no, I took all the time off of work to be there for her up until the day she passed. What your statement tells me is that you aren't willing to make the sacrifices to help take care of your family, since you seem to think that it is a social improvement to have the government take care of your family
Sup, why do you think that personal responsibility is hate?? As for me being out of touch, you couldn't be more wrong, I grew up in a union home, as a child we vacationed with the man, a great man, who started the NMU, my father worked his entire adult life for the Union, and when he retired was the agent for the SE, plus we still vacationed with the heads of the unions, so I saw things first hand. I also know what it is like to climb the latter and fall, but, I picked myself up, and climbed even higher, I've been on both sides of the fence, the haves and have not, when I was down, I didn't cry about what others had, when I was at a job and saw that unless I married into the family, I wouldn't go any higher, I made the choice to go out on my own, that was 1986, and I'm still climbing, so don't tell that I'm out of touch, as I've suffered and prospered, I volunteer to help those in need and have. Why do liberal that personal responsibility is hate??? BTW, while working at the ship yards, one of the jobs I did to pay my way though college, because of my name, and being well spoken, it was suggested that I quit school, join the other union and work at the ship yard full time. I turned it down. I made my own way and because of that, my father was proud of me, when he passed, I had his respect, something not easy to get from him. I didn't need a union to get where I am, I could have gone a direction where my name and his contacts could have made my live very easy, but, I chose to be my own man, make my own deals and live my own life, under nobody's shadow. Yes, I suffered, but I paid my dues, earned my place, with out a union to do my thinking (of course, had I gone union, I would be up there as that is what I was groomed for)