[djmcmath]

Some clarifying points: the Vatican isn't full of "born agains." Heck, half the "born agains" that I've known couldn't find their bible with both hands. You'll find that, while Vatican support for salvation through baptism (and other works) is easy to find, it's more difficult to support using the actual text of scripture.

Victor, re: "slain in the Spirit..." That's also not typically something that either Pope-followers or "born agains" are into. There are a variety of groups that take part in that sort of thing, including the Four Square Pentecostals and some Charismatics, among others that aren't coming to me off the top of my head. They generally feel that an emotional experience of Christianity is the best thing. If you don't have the feelings, maybe you're not saved? If you can't do healings, or speak in tongues (which is often interpreted as simply random babbling, a la Hellenistic religious tradition of ecstatic utterances -- no scriptural support for that, either), or whatever the miracle of the week is, then maybe you're not saved. There are some very nice people who believe these things, and they do some good things. However, I have a hard time worshiping at the church of "I like to feel..."