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Originally posted by cool_chick
Ok, I was really curious as to what the answer would be, because to be honest with you, I've been curious for a while as to what "winning" in Iraq would constitute....
Since you answered, I ask you this..... By winning Iraq, the above will be accomplished?
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CC, we all hope that we can see an end of this situation. No one wants another Vietnam and I do not feel we are anywhere near that type of situation here.
Listen carefully on this point, and I am not bashing Clinton here. We lobbed a bunch of cruise missles in Bin Ladens direction and unfortunately it did not kill him but did really piss him off, as it would have done had someone tried to kill you or me. Now he sets off to attack America anywhere he can and if he cannot do that he attacks Western interests around the world. Had we done this successfully the first time we would still have terrorist cells but not anywhere near the scale that we see at this time.
You notice that almost all of the attacks were on Western facilities, with the exception of the train bombing in Spain, and that was done because of Spanish troops in Iraq. Of course within two days their balls sucked back inside their torso and recalled their troops. After this event the terrorists feel that they can change the course of history and thus get bolder. Result is more bombings but funny thing, the Spanish authorities are still finding terrorist cells in Spain. Bending over and spreading their cheeks to let the bad guys fork them a while when they pulled their troops home did not result in the same terrorists leaving, they just got bolder and planned more killings and bombings.
The only way for the world, and not just America to win this war on terror is to stand shoulder to shoulder and fight this. Its in almost every country in the world now, save possibly Burma, Korea, Iceland and Greenland. As well there is one important party that the world needs to bring to this fight. That party is the moslems who feel that the actions of these terrorists is wrong. Places like Indonesia and the Middle East will never be safe unless the locals put their foot down and say "this is not the way of the Koran and Allah," feel it in their heart and teach it in their schools and sermons as they worship.
The time required will depend a lot on if we have the help of the rank and file of the local moslem communities or not. Eventually the whole world will join in on this fight, they will be forced to as the terrorists move from country to country, where-ever the security is loosest. Was recently in Saudi Arabia and the changes in the last few years are really substancial, with roadblocks and police checkpoints EVERYWHERE. After the recent attacks they are looking for the terrorists and their weapons and have finally gotten serious about it. Germany has started doing the same as has Holland. England has been serious about it since day one, but the recent bombings "woke them up" and now they realize that they bad boys are in their back yard and are doing something about it. This is not just America's problem and the sooner the world realizes it, the better.
Also, lets not forget that copies of the Koran have been found in the Texas, New Mexico and Arizona desert, at known border crossing points for illegals coming into this country. They are not coming to make a better life for themselves as our ancestors did, they are coming to kill us and make a political statement at the same time. We need to realize that they are already among us, and right now. Unless found they will continue to attempt to kill us until either caught or they themselves are killed. We have a choice and its either to open our eyes here at home or suffer what has happened in England and other countries recently, more and more bombings or God forbid, a nuke or mass poisioning somewhere.
The terrorist cell found in the Dallas area was a man who was directly connected to Bin Laden, and who ran a tire repair shop. He was a very good example of a sleeper agent, one who lived his life in a totally legal and law abiding way, but who also left the country from time to time to train or aid Bin Laden. When the time would come for him to make himself and his group a martyr to Allah and Bin Laden he would have done so. We got lucky and found him. There are many many more of these cells in our country right now, just waiting for the right time and orders to proceed to their grisly plans to kill Americans.
To end this rather long winded post, to win in Iraq in my feeble mind would be to get a local government set up, elections and elected reps of their choice (and not done by terror as was done in Spain after the bombing) and our being able to turn the security of the country over to the Iraqi's so that our people can return home. To win the war on terror will take a long time. Hope that Iraq can be completed in the next year or so we can concentrate on the war on terror..
Joe A