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Originally posted by legion
Tobra, you raise a good point.

Becoming unionized is a one-time decision. A decision that once made, cannot be reversed (at least in Illinois, it is effectively illegal to de-unionize). It affects workers for generations, whether or not they want to be in the union--the choice was made for them. (In Illinois, all workers are required to join the union in a union shop.) Further, unions in this area are known for strong-arming their way into a shop--and the laws support them. The union will come in and basically tell all the workers they are getting screwed (regardless of actual conditions). In Illinois, employers are barred by law from saying or doing anything to stop their shop from unionizing. Their hands are tied. Once a shop is unionized, the employer no longer has any control over hiring, firing, and pay.
You are telling a story here that runs contrary to everything I know about unionism in America. The NLRB has become so employer-friendly that there is virtually NOTHING they can do that will get them convicted of a ULP. Look at Wal-Mart. Some of the stuff they pull regularly to evade unionism is BLATANTLY an Unfair Labor Practice. They'll close an entire store, or an entire line of products or services just to get rid of the folks that are about to become union. So no, I don't believe the NLRB makes decisions for Illinois that are polar opposites to the crap decisions they make everywhere else.

Also, you make it sound like unionism is not only a lifetime commitment with no possibility of reversal, but that your decision to be union will result in a loss of freedom of choice for your children and grandchildren. Get real. I know you are an angry sort of fellow but get real. Unionism is mostly regulated by FEDERAL law, not state law. Decertification is an option anywhere in America. Washington State is a "union shop" state where you must join a union in order to work for a particular employer. If you're taking this situation and pretending that there is no freedom of choice, or that your grandchildren will be bound by your choices, and employers are powerless against unions.....then you might be convincing some fools, but you won't be doing it honestly and you won't be fooling people who have information or know how to get it.
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