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Just with this issue. I seems clear that neither side has any intention of changing their opinion.

The definition of insanity is performing the same behavior over and over but expecting different results.

I think that what makes america incredible is the ability to voice your opinion and the fact that the government was designed not to interfere with that. Its clear that this discussion has shown that somepeople feel its ok to give up their rights a little bit of a time, and eventually our country won't be great.

The president of our country has been an incredible disaster. Our reputation in the world is even more tarnished, we are spending billions on a war when we could be working on our education, roads, healthcare.

What americans dont get is that we are a short memory people, after 10-20 years its ancient history to us. The people that we are engaged with have LOOOONG term memories. We have opened a can of worms that will take decades to deal with. And for what, to say we killed some bad guys. That we took a leader out of power (Already done, and we are still there. And don't kid yourself, the people dont want us there. We are not welcome). The stuff you see on the news with thankful people, they are there to for spin control....to show us brilliant americans that we are doing good. Go over there sometime, I have, and you will see that we are not wanted.

The countries that are there with us are there for business reasons, dont offend the US or you will lose money. Simple as that.

Our president is off the ranch. He thinks he is a cowboy and wants to shoot em up. He is a moron. He is a puppet being led by his staff and couldn't lead ants to a picnic with a trail of jelly.

Whenever a president is in office some people will be unhappy, but this president takes the cake. He has received the lowest approval rating in history (according to CNN), he has spent billions on his wartime folly. Our economy is still in tough shape, the dollar is getting weaker, our jobs are being outsourced, our educational system gets worse every year, our healthcare is in shambles. The only companies that did well were his friends, the oil companies.

If he were a true man of character he would step down. And withdraw the troops with the admission of what his real mission is.

Anyway....I'm out. Im going to back to porsche discussions!