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Originally posted by fastpat That's like saying, "I have lived in Germany, or France, and therefore understand them perfectly". Kierkegaard's "Subjective Christianity", one of his "Edifying Discourses", will set you straight on that.
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No...it's like saying:
I have heard all the Civil War apologist arguements and they carry little weight.
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Yep, pure iron will; just like Lenin and later Stalin, with similar results.
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Hardly considering their country doesn't exist anymore and their political philosophy is on life support.
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The 14th Amendment is the culprit, not the 13th.
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The 14th Amendment is highly appropriate, all things considered. A moot point.
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There's no reason, other than certain Lincoln rhetoric, that Reconstruction would have been any less than the reign of terror aganst the south than it was had he lived.
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And you have something to prove that it would have been other than his stated goal? Of course you don't. He was dead.
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Secession was lawful....
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The fact that there are STILL modern supporters of secession always astounds me. Because what is the alternative? A collection small aparthied states starting at the Maryland border? No USA today? What would the world be like with no US to stand up to the Nazi's, Imperialists or Communists? Please, the alternatives are all very, very bad.
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By invading and killing 25% of every adult white male, and not a few black men, in the south?
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Hmmm. Let's see the population of the southern states was 9 million. 3.8 million were slaves. that means 5.2 where white. Let's say 50% of those were men. That's 2.6Million and 25% of that is 650,000 DEATHS. Considering that casualties for BOTH sides of the was are rarely considered to exceed 650K...and that's casualties not deaths...and being the north made up the lion's share of those numbers, I'd suggest you check your figures.
All I can say, is you are probably not going to convince many people that Lincoln was some evil guy. You can continue to vent if you like, but the war and Lincoln are 140 years gone and the society we are living in is VERY good by any historical standard.