[Superman]

What I'm saying is that, if you want, you can assemble all the facts necessary to make a cogent-sounding argument that George W. Bush is the second coming of the Messiah. Or perhaps you'd like to assemble a set of facts and present them in a way that makes someone think that George Washington was a British spy. In either case, you might fool somebody. But most folks are going to dismiss you as a fruitcake.

Abraham Lincoln was a tortured individual. His wife was crazy as a loon, and he suffered from severe depression. But if you're going to pretend (or worse, believe) that he was some sort of selfish monster, then you've got WAY mnore imagination than information and lots of folks are going to dismiss you. There, did I say that in a way that's sufficiently objective?

Frankly, I thin the sane world has recognized for decades, and will continue to recognize for centures and hopefully millennia, that Lincoln came out of nowhere, with a perspective and moral compass that was at the limit of human understanding, and saved a nation from bifurcating in two.

Taking the position that he was anything other than a towering public policy genius and a leader of the first order, a savior of a nation, (I chuckle when I say this) is like Dubya the Dense gambling that unilaterally attacking a sovereign nation is going to work out positively for America and assure him a 'good' paragraph in futurs history texts. That is, as long as everyone else is incorrect.

Frankly, anybody considering Lincoln to be what you way, Pat, is to be dismissed for purposes of this topic, and drawn into suspicion in others. It's WAY below credible.

Yes I did see the other thread. How about you guys take the position that Jesus was a time traveller from Berkeley in the 1960's. That'd make more sense.