[ianc]

Its a computer, it should do this for you.

I don't want my computer 'doing things' for me. I would like to customize it and manage it the way I like.

But does that warrant two different setups? Doesn't it make a lot more sense to configure them together?

Why? They're two different devices. Two different configuration applets seems to make sense to me. Why not have sound cards and fax machines configured in the same applet? It doesn't make sense.

I prefer my ethernet cards to be static IP with my WiFi to be DHCP, how much trouble do I have to go through?

None, both can be configured separately.

It sounds like a bad MS joke, maybe it was built by Mac users.

Hmmm. I noticed a 'security' item in the Mac control panel as well. Another bad joke?

I have yet to plug something in that doesn't automatically have a generic driver loaded for it.

There are nowhere near the amount of third party vendors making parts for Macs as there are for PC's.

I would rather see these kinds of device-centric configuration app put in a separate place away from the system config.

Why? The device is part of the 'system'. All in what you're used to.

This doesn't belong here in any way or case. Why not put a Quake config here

I agree, but any app can add an item here. Microsoft doesn't restrict vendors in this way. As I said, they can be removed if desired.

Do we need two?

We don't need any as far as I'm concerned. Talk to Sun about it.

Exactly, but its not, its spread all over the place and we've gotta go hunting for it. How much did this thing cost? Couldn't someone have taken the time to put things where they belong?

See my comment about having things where they're handy. I find it less convenient to put everything in one place rather than where I'm likely to need it. Again, user preference.

Folder options shouldn't be here, they have no place.

User preference, and a kind of nit-picky one at that...

I don't want to gain experience, I want to get something done. If something is available, I want to use it. If its not needed, then it shouldn't be there. Why did you spend all that money on that expensive computer when its you that has to do all the work. Its you that has to go in and discover what is important and what isn't, what is supported and what is useless. Its sounds like the experience you've gained is to help you avoid all the things that are duplicated, irrelavent, and possibly broken on your computer.

This rant doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying you don't gain proficiency with experience? Or that you're not interested in gaining proficiency? I don't need to 'discover' what's important, I know. And the tools to let me do what I need to are right there where I need them without having to fish for some control panel. As far as 'expensive computers', I don't think there's much doubt over who has the less expensive computer...

What is point of having everything alphabetical and in a big list if you don't know what things are called, or what you're looking for?

You're not making any sense with this rant either. How could I not know what things are called? Let's see, I want network connections. Ummm... I think it might be called 'Network Connections'. That might start with 'N', so I look under 'N'. I don't need to determine if that's categorized as hardware, or personal, or some other silly thing. And how could I not know what I'm looking for? Did I forget?

I guess if you enjoy working for your computer instead of your computer working for you you'll be totally happy on Windows.

You are really reaching here. I know how difficult it is for you to admit that there might be some other way than the 'Mac' way, but you're getting silly in your blindered obstinacy. Think outside the 'Mac box'. There are other ways of doing things.

ianc