[svandamme]

that no joy without pain , that's just basic relativity, and that's nothing i find usefull in a religious way
all Abrahamic faiths have an afterlife and heaven thing
the definition of heaven , if there is such a thing , is nothing but good things

so contradiction arises, if heaven is nothing but good things , for eternity
then that must be very boring, and as such hellish

to me that's not something i can believe in , so the only thing that makes sense to me , is that when the lights go out, they simply go out...

the pain / joy relativity is also not something that makes sense in many cases of extreme evil, why would any god allow a character like Mengele, to experiment on children and babies, that haven't even develloped a proper ego, and died due to Mengele's actions
if there is no joy to follow , then why would god allow it in his creations(creationism includes Mengele and the likes of him), if he is omnipotent , and all knowing and good
and you cannot convince me , that there is a purpose for what Mengele did, and that his victims go to heaven and all is well, as i said, heaven does not make sense to me

the only thing that i might find decent is reincarnation , since that doesn't retain the ego and as such eternity is reset...