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Originally posted by lendaddy
Stuart is playing his games. He paints all Marines with the stench of the alleged foul acts of a few. Then when called on it, he responds with "so you defend the acts?". As if anyone would or more importantly did.
Hell, arguments with coolchick are less childishly circular, and that's saying something.
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You are being, perhaps deliberately, obtuse.
1.If you put a (anyones) military in this situation (iraq), a "Halditha" is inevitable. It can be easily and relaibly predicted. Its as old as time and occupying armies.
2.Blaming the indivividual soldiers, beyond punishing them as oone would any criminla, is pointless. Again, you may as well blame a dog for savaing a toddler. You would still shoot the dog.
3.Halditha is not an isolated incident. The Iraqi PM, US puppet, has stated so.
4. Whats to blame is a) the foreign policy that put the US military in this situation, and b) the culture within that military organisation which condones, instituationally, spin, cover up and lies.
5. The "code" and "honor" being discussed in thjis thread is a concept that exists only within, and only applies to, the military itself. Its simply tribalism, it is rancid, and its leads directly to this type of event. You disagree? These Marines- allegedy- shot and killed women and children. The military insitution from the ground up, covered it up and lied to protect the interests of the institution. Again.
6. The US military, specifically, has, like the IDF, in the face of any critical analysis, forfeited any right it may have claimed to a benefit of the doubt. Which is quite sad, as the the US military is the very visible face of US foreign policy.
At least the IDF stands up, tells it lies and doesnt expect expect anyone to beleive them anyway. Its purely for form, and to appease internal hardliners. The US is a long way down that road. Then again, what % of Americans still beleives that Saddam attacjked the WTC?