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DOBBS: It's incredible. Professor Grayson, let me ask each of you the
same question and I'd love for you all to chime in on this, but begin
with you, Professor Grayson. Your research, that of George Borjas at
Harvard, and a few other people, rigorous, intelligent, scholarly work,
which, of course, Congress is ignoring -- but why in the world aren't
our academic economists, sociologists, researchers and scholars, why
aren't they coming into this issue with real research and weighing in on
these issues of such national importance?

GRAYSON: Lou, it's not politically correct. We have to play the
victimization card. And everybody in the third world are victims of the
rabid (ph) dogs of capitalism, of the IMF, of Washington. And so, what
you have in academia is just lots of bleeding hearts.

My view is that if the guest worker program were for college
professors, editorial writers and immigration lawyers, there would be a
lot more opposition to it.

DOBBS: Is that right, professor? Professor Chiswick?

CHISWICK: Oh, yes, thank you. Well, Lou, nations have myths...

DOBBS: Sorry, there's so many professors around here, I wasn't being
very definitive.

CHISWICK: All nations have myths. And one of our myths is that any
and all immigrants are equally desirable and equally beneficial for the
national economy. And we know from substantial research that that
simply is not the case. That high-skilled immigrants have very
different impacts than low-skilled immigrants.

We also know that there's a limited absorptive capacity in terms of
immigration, and that slower paces of immigration are easier to absorb
than large, sudden influxes of immigrants. But these issues seem to not
be on the table.

DOBBS: Robert Rector, let me ask you, because as Professor Grayson
says about victimization, political correctness. I mean, it's not just
academia. We shouldn't lay it just there. But we've become a nation of
orthodoxies and you have got to have a very specific control of language
before you can even discuss these issues.

But the idea that our middle class working men and women in this
country and their families, those who aspire to be in that middle class
are the victims. Why is that not compelling to academic researchers, to
our scholars?

RECTOR: I think there's a lot that you simply can't say here. I'll
say another thing that can't be said here, which is the fact that
Hispanics in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half
times that of white non-Hispanics, and it seems very clear that if you
basically bring in a lot of low-skilled Hispanics with dysfunctional
family structure from the Central America, that both they and, in
particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime
problem in the United States. The data is very clear on that. But it
can't be discussed.

We can't really also discuss the fact that, my goodness, if you're
bringing in high school dropouts who aren't married and have children
out of wedlock, what are they going to do? They're going to be on
welfare. It's why this is the largest expansion of welfare in at least
35 years. It is going to cost at least $70 billion a year. Those costs
are going to smash into the government, exactly at the time Social
Security starts to go into crisis.

DOBBS: At the same time, the head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,
business' biggest lobbyist, Tom Donahue, says to me we've got to have
those illegal aliens, because as baby boomers are retiring, we need
somebody to support us.

Robert Rector, thank you very much. Barry Chiswick, thank you very
much. And George Grayson, thank you. We appreciate you gentlemen being
here. Please come back as we continue to explore what our Congress, our
president is doing to us. We'll be right back. Stay with us.

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