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Originally posted by RPKESQ
Sammyg2, no offense intended, but your examples have numerous flaws. The most glaring of course is the lack of documentation during his (Jesus) life. All history is recorded with some bias. The historians job is to weed out the bias and try to find that facts.
Dead Sea scrolls are from a Christian sect and from much later, therefore not valid (just like the bible).
Regarding the writings of Tacitus, Suetonius, Celsus, Josephus; all while interesting, they are really reporting what they have heard from others, not first hand, and all are from a later period than life of Jesus.
Where is the real-time, during the life, non-Christian witness to this “son of god”? It is very interesting that the Jews who were there and are the ones who have repeatedly dismissed Jesus as a minor prophet. Christianity was one of many sects that sprang up in this time period. It just happens to be one (of a few) that manages to survive for any length of time.
Still lacking first person, non-obvious bias, during his lifetime documentation.
So overall, not much in cold hard facts here to support the claim that Jesus, Son of God existed. That does not mean that someone with the name Jesus did not exist, but even that is quite sketchy.
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I agree with most of the above points
BUT the dead sea scrolls ARE NOT ABOUT JC
they date before his time
are about a jewish not christian cult
on other points rased
""There occurs not a shred of evidence for a city named Nazareth at the time of the alleged Jesus. [Leedom; Gauvin] Nazareth does not appear in the Old Testament, nor does it appear in the volumes of Josephus's writings (even though he provides a detailed list of the cities of Galilee). Oddly, none of the New Testament epistle writers ever mentions Nazareth or a Jesus of Nazareth even though most of the epistles got written before the gospels. In fact no one mentions Nazareth until the Gospels, where the first one got written at least 40 years after the hypothetical death of Jesus. Apologists attempt to dismiss this by claiming that Nazareth existed as an insignificant and easily missed village (how would they know?), thus no one recorded it. However, whenever the Gospels speak of Nazareth, they always refer to it as a city, never a village, and a historian of that period would surely have noticed a city. (Note the New Testament uses the terms village, town, and city.) Nor can apologists fall on archeological evidence of preexisting artifacts for the simple reason that many cities get built on ancient sites. If a city named Nazareth existed during the 1st century, then we need at least one contemporary piece of evidence for the name, otherwise we cannot refer to it as historical.""
yes there are people writting about christians LATER
but there are no at the same time, mentions of JC as a real person
in or near his lifetime
soonest is 20 years later and bible based
BTW when was his lifetime
we do know the bible is VERY VERY BAD ON DATES
and the AD year 1 willnot work
as king herod died in 6 bce
but use a prior to 6 date and the death date no longer fits
as to pilots ruleing date
luke futher confuses the matter by naming a nonexistant syrian leader at the time of birth
or is it all just a retold myth
The Egyptian mythical Horus, god of light and goodness has many parallels to Jesus. [Leedom, Massey] For some examples:
Horus and the Father as one
Horus, the Father seen in the Son
Horus, light of the world, represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation.
Horus served the way, the truth, the life by name and in person
Horus baptized with water by Anup (Jesus baptized with water by John)
Horus the Good Shepherd
Horus as the Lamb (Jesus as the Lamb)
Horus as the Lion (Jesus as the Lion)
Horus identified with the Tat Cross (Jesus with the cross)
The trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son, Ra the Holy Spirit
Horus the avenger (Jesus who brings the sword)
Horus the afflicted one
Horus as life eternal
Twelve followers of Horus as Har-Khutti (Jesus' 12 disciples)
According to Massey, "The mythical Messiah is Horus in the Osirian Mythos; Har-Khuti in the Sut-Typhonian; Khunsu in that of Amen-Ra; Iu in the cult of Atum-Ra; and the Christ of the Gospels is an amalgam of all these characters."