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This 'evidence based' debate is meaningless.

Here is a different approach from a non believer - and please note I am being serious and honest. No provocation intended:

What do you need Jesus for ? What does a Jesus figure do for you that I miss out on for not believing ? Does it make you a better human being ? Does it make the world a better place ? If so - why ?

I figure such questions probably sound real stupid to a believer, but for me they are relevant.

Again, I am serious here! I really want to understand.