[livi]

I agree on the moral part. Its paramount. I do not think we need a specific historical figure to teach us about it. I will go out on a limb here and claim that moral to some extent is a trait with which we are born and subsequently moderated during our first years. Jesus or no Jesus. And in all fairness the atrocities committed in the name of Jesus threw out history does not speak up for him as a moral fertilizer.