[snowman]

I think micro evolution is true, but as to macro evolution, like a fish becoming a man, or dog, whatever is total bunk. One very big hole in current theory is how to explain the continual loss of species. Why has no new species been shown to evolve from an old one (thats any macro evolution)? Certainly some species must evolve faster than others. THere must be at least ONE bit of evidence.

As to religion, the Pope and Catholic church, beleive in evolution, just how is that possible. Or is it the critics are actually ignorant about religion and are displaying that ignorance with their incredible statements. Their lack of knowledge is also displayed with their statements on evolution.

As to the second law of thermodynamics--wtf--?? Total lack of understanding and total misapplication of the law has been presented by all of the previous posts on this thread. Then again I only minored in physics so I might not understand the application of that law in ways that are totally inconsistant with its intended applications. Usually only uneducated people utilize something they do not understand and try to apply it to something it was never intended for, that is it just dosen't apply.

As to order, all things will go from less stable to more stable states. What that may have to do with order, I don't know. For example, a bunch of sand circulating in a bunch of mud looks pretty disorderly to me. But once it settles out in nice flat, uniform layers of sediment, it looks much more orderly. As to the total energy, its constant, as energy is never created or destroyed, only transformed.

In nature many things that look disorderly to many people are actually quite orderly. Many just cannot see the order. For example take a stone fire place. A lot of them look like a pile of rubble, why? Because the person building them cannot see the order in nature. A master stone fire place builder produces a work of art, something that almost everyone can recognize. They cannot define what it is that they like, but it is the natural order that has been preserved by the builder. That same order is displayed by mother nature in many ways, but many people only see disorder because they are blind. Arguements of things changing from a state of order to disorder is in the eye of the viewer, it is an artform, not a science and consequently cannot be used as the basis for an arguemnet to prove or disprove anythiing.

Just like the above statement, you either agree or disagree. My statement proves nothing. It is a basis for looking into mother nature closer and finding something you may be able to prove or disprove. Evolution is a THEORY, not a fact. Anyone making derogatory remarks about people or their religion is biased, uninformed, and very nervous. Nervous that one of the religious people might be right.