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Man wants to be the supreme intelligence...
Man wants to have all the answers...
Man wants to be accountable to only himself...
Man wants to decide what is right and wrong...
Belief in God does not allow this.


There is NO proof for evolution, NO repeatable lab tests, NO missing links alive or in the fossil record. This would be earth shaking news.
Instead, made up "theories" are taught to children as "fact".

It's all put in place to discredit God...Man wants to do things his way.
The issue hasn't changed since the beginning.

Call me a broken record if you like, but man will NEVER rule himself.


KT “

This quote from KT illustrates perfectly the crux of this discussion. On one hand, we have the firm creationists who cannot conceive that god does not have a hand in all this. They are for the most part wholly un or under educated in the sciences. They do not avidly read about or study science; yet they try to use logic and corrupted science (thermodynamics, probability, etc.) to prove an article of faith. This is never going to work. Please don’t try to use the tools you have never learned to use properly; it only highlights your inabilities. It shows the lack of knowledge and understanding like the above statements. This person is firm in his believes, but woefully lacking in what science actually has tested, proved or created.

On the other hand, we have the followers of science, who demand proof. By using the simple critical thinking process of: question, theorize based on known facts, conceive a repeatable test to that theory, review results (peer review), revise test or theory, test, repeat…. Mankind has grown and expanded his knowledge base. Repeatable results are the holy grail of science, that and nothing more. If you can’t find an exception or non-collaborating result of testing to the theory (please learn what the word”theory” means in science, before using it), than the theory stands until proven wrong. End of argument, unless you can devise a test (experiment) that gives different results. Many science opportunities try to use a minority position of disagreement to over-ride a theory, without test results opposed to the theory, these disagreements are meaningless (refer back to the process). Just because you believe something you cannot test and achieve on-demand repeatable results, doesn’t mean it is true. No matter how much you want it to be true. Just because you don’t understand the science doesn’t mean it is not true, no matter how much you dislike the results or are confused by them.

I have always found it amazing that “true” believers willing use the results of cold hard emotionless science all day every day, but then deride science as a generator of facts. How in hell to you think your cars, computers, lights, medicine, and etc. work? How in hell do you think they were designed and built (divine guidance is not an answer you can test, go back to the process)? Mans knowledge changes all the time, what we learned or thought we knew must change too. Many on this board refer back to their high school or college classes. This is incredibly out of date. You are falling behind as soon as you have left an active learning environment.

My challenge is simple: using logic/critical thinking and the scientific process using a test that provides repeatable results on-demand, prove there is a god.

This is no more than we do every day in science and engineering, why should the faithful be held to any lower standard?