[RPKESQ]

Jim Cesiro wrote:
I am bowing out of this debate. Obviously when I make a very valid point it is indicated I am just plain stupid and cannot have an opinion in my uneducated mind that is valid.
I have gotten through life on common sense. I have no real formal education. I have no business degree yet I own a very successful businss run on my instincts. Hell, I am not educated past high school my parents could not afford to put me through college. Once I started working in the real world to save to go to college I decided not to bother. I have never regretted it.
I think my point has been perfectly made. I have stood in Chichén Itzá during the fall equinox. Any idea what happens there during the exact moment of the equinox? These people were not stupid, they were very advanced. Their civilization disappeared 1100 years ago and scientists are totally baffled as to why. This was ONLY 1100 years ago!! Thery cannot even find their buried dead and have no idea what they did with them.
You are trying to tell me scientists know for a fact what was going on 100 million years ago when they cannot figure out what happened 1100 years ago? I say Bull my instincts say BULL!! Its all guessing beeing masked as intelligence and education and when contested the contestor is being dismissed as a stupid, uneducated fundamentalist who's opinion is not valid.



I’m sorry Jim, what valid point perfectly made were you referring to? The fact you went to this Mayan site? And yes, you might like to know celestial alignments are the most common attribute of pre-Columbian sites. Further study into these civilizations, instead of a tourist presentation would have taught you that. Mayan dead have been found and documented. Scientists are not totally baffled. Your perceptions are wrong based on very incomplete knowledge.

Science never claims it has all the right answers. Science will change when it gets repeatable results that vary from the theory being tested. As it should.

You are under the delusion that I think your stupid. No, I think you are arriving at conclusions without proper research or study. Can you run a business without higher education? Of course, who said you could not? Can you be successful without a higher education, of course, who ever said differently? Can you judge the validity of a subject when you KNOW very little about it? NO. Just because you have an opinion, (your instincts, as you call them), does that mean they are valid? NO. Uninformed opinions are worthless, because they are uniformed.

For example: If you went to your doctor and he told you that you had a brain tumor and was going to need surgery. Would you, seeking a second opinion, go outside and find the first drunk you could find to ask his opinion on the need for your surgery? No? Why not? you mean you would want an education informed opinion? Same as the above example of Mayan civilization, buddy.

No, you are not stupid. In matter of fact I think you are quite smart. But that does not mean you have learned to research properly and present the results in a logical manner. Why do you see this observation as an insult? Are you a lawyer, doctor, Indian chief? No? Does my pointing out you have no valid opinions in these areas also insult you? Why?
I for one would hate to see you leave this discussion. My intentions all along have been to foster questions and promote the skill of critical thinking. That’s it. No other agenda, no hate, no liberal bias (whatever that empty phrase means).

Many will say I am a Christian basher. That is only a semi-lie. I am against ALL religions. ALL. No religion promotes open questioning and an open mind. Some will argue that we are a Christian based culture. As if that makes it alright to promote hatred, bigotry, racism, etc. We were formed by a collection of middle class British subjects, that had every vice known to man. America was created by slavers, smugglers, tax cheats, wife-cheaters, atheists as well as Christians (quick, which one of the Founding Fathers rewrote the bible to eliminate all references to god?), thieves, etc. They had and developed some very good ideas, but to attribute them to only Christianity is just not true. Read what our Founding Fathers wrote themselves. In their own words
Before we start making run off at the mouth bizarre statements (Null) that are suppose to support of viewpoint, we need to run though a proven methodology, that will enable us to arrive at the correct answer. Most statements made are just regurgitation of someone else’s opinion; they are mostly a knee-jerk emotional rant, not a carefully examined, critically thought-out position. How many here, check their statements for accuracy against multiple viewpoint sources? How many? How many are using outdated information and sources? How many care, as long as they reflect your feelings?

By the way Jim, my parents could not pay for my college either. I worked one full time job and two part time jobs all the while in college. My Masters degree was paid for by Uncle Sam after serving in the Army. I feel anyone who wants a college education in this country can get one.