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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Some of the greatest scientists in world history have been creationists.

Perhaps, but not in the field of evolution. Darwinism had many objections in its day, and apparently that continues today. Lord Kelvin (who became a Fellow of the Royal Society at age 23) objected, but he also said "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible" (1895) and ""There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now. All that remains is more and more precise measurement." (1900) So, yes, many great scientists may not have believed in evolution, but that doesn't mean they are right.

Here is the short of it in my opinion:

Creationism : not testable, therefore not science. To debate it is moot-- the topic is philosophical/religious, not scientific. ID has no affiliation w/ science because it is not open for experimentation. ID is really just a rehash of creationism with a false association with science. William T. Keeton of Cornell University said it well in Biological Science (1967):

Science’s insistence on testability imposes limitations on what it can do. For example, the hypothesis that there is a God working through the natural laws of the universe is not testable and hence cannot be evaluated by science. Science cannot say that there is such a God, nor can it say that there is not. This does not mean that science cannot legitimately say something about certain attributes ascribed to God. Throughout history men have made statements about the physical universe in the name of their gods, and have insisted that denial of their statements is a denial of their gods. If this is so, then science may well have to deny those gods. Any part of the physical universe can be studied by science, and he who makes the existence of his God stand or fall on some supposed fact about the universe risks having science destroy his God.

Evolution: evidence includes:
-Systematics (i.e. taxonomy)
-Biogeography
-Comparitive Morphology/Anatomy
-Ultrastructure (i.e. 9+2 structure of flagella/cilia)
-Embryology
-Paleobiology (i.e. Fossil Record)
-Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
-Evolutionary Biology

I think Theodosius Dobzhansky put it best:

"Nothing in biology makes sense, except in the light of evolution"

Ernst Mayer, Harvard Professor Emeritus, also put it succintly and plainly:

"Evolution as such is no longer a theory... it is as much a fact as that the earth revolves around the sun rather than reverse. The changes documented by the fossil record in precisely dated geological strata are a fact that we designate as evolution."

For me, the conclusion is clear enough. Then again, maybe there's a little William Jennings Bryan (see Scopes Monkey Trial) in Mulhollanddose-- it wouldn't suprise me in the least!