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Tabs wrote:
RPK your spouting Liberal revisionist History...There was no propaganda campaign to go after Germany first. Germany declared war on the US on December 11th 1941. After that the Japs and Krauts were looked on as fair game. Roosvelt and Churchill saw Germany as the greater threat because of its INDUSTRIAL CAPABILTY.

It was the incomprensible loss of China to the Communists that turned America to looking into its closets for Commies."How could we lose China, it musta bin a Commie conspiracy in our own government." Politics until the 1970s was hard fought but at the end of the day represenatives from both parties would sit down and have a drink together. Both Parties who set aside differences when it came to the National Defence or the Good of the Country. Take Nixon not demanding a recount in Ill, over the Democratic voter fraud in Chicago in the 1960 Presidnetial election. He did it for the GOOD of the Country. His Words not mine...

It was George Washington who set America on an Isolationist bent. He said, "Avoid foreign entanglements." meaning don't get involved in European squables as it is a drain on resources time and attention. Even after WW2 the US was returning to its Isolationist ways, but cutting the military budgets to the bone. Slowly it dawned on the US around 1948 that the USSR was up to NO GOOD, China was lost in 49, the Soviets exploded their Bomb, which was helped by Americans spying for the Soviets. S Korea was invaded by the North in 50 and Truman had to scrape the bottom of the military barrel to come up with troops to repel the North Koreans.


Hey Tabs, with all due respect, there is no reversionary history in my post (liberal or otherwise). I agree that our government and military judged Germany the greater threat. But not the US public. The US Government launched a major propaganda campaign to convince the American public that Germany was the greater threat. Look it up, all the presidential, congressional notes and military analysis are in the archives to support this. You can actually read the US government’s plans to float this plan to the US public. The public wanted to go after the Japanese, not the Germans (I did not say this was the wrong thing to do, I just said it WAS done, as an example of proper leadership swaying the masses to the greater good).

True, the loss of China after WWII helped to creat the witch hunts of the 50’s. Not the best chapter in American history. And as to political cohesiveness before the blue/red states era; from the end of WWII to the early 1990’s, most political issues were who could grab the “high ground” first. They did try to present a cohesive public front, but it was only a charade most of the time. The easy win was to support defense and/or at home prosperity. Not done for the best interest of the country in most cases, just for the votes. How many times did we lie to the public about the USSR’s or China’s military prowess? Remember the “missile gap”? That was completely made up, our own intelligence services had that knowledge, but it was never released to the public (till after the fall of the USSR).

I agree our isolationist bent stems from GW and was fairly easy to have until the 1960's.
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