[Dennis Kalma]

Interesting thread, remarkable in its civility.

A couple of points.

Show me a case where something in human experience increases in complexity without intervention and I would accept that as a point in favour of the "no God, humans evolved" camp. Really my thinking is a form of the second law of entropy, things go from higher energy (complexity) states to lower energy (simpler) states. I just don't see it. Men build more complex things from simpler components (reduce entropy), but so far we have not built anything more complex than "we" are.

Second. We mere humans make a big deal about death and dying, as for us it is the "end" of existence as we see it. What happens if there is actually something after this life? What happens if "God" actually sees both sides of divide and deals with them on an equal basis? Taking the example of Abraham being ordered to kill Isaac....what happen's if in God's eyes, the worst that would have happened is that Abraham went through with it, Isaac joined the folk on "the other side" and God had to go look for a new leader of his nation? Maybe it is not such a big deal for Him?

Personally, I think that God has an excellent sense of humour, look at the stuff he created and the goofy interactions they cause. This whole man/woman thing....I mean c'mon, how on earth could something with bizarre persona's as "women" actually evolve? I mean, if PMS is not something intended to cause interaction of the most odd kind....what the heck would it have evolved for?

Oh yeah, just for the record, I am a social conservative, fiscal conservative, fundamentalist Christian who believes that you need to look at the whole religion thing from the point of view of being a primitive trying to guage the purpose of a Porsche Carrera GT

Dennis