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Originally posted by Superman
I'm as straight as an arrow. Let me just place that up front. I have gay and lesbian friends that I adore. Their lifestyles and decisions are none of my business. I like them just fine as people, regardless of their decisions in the bedroom.

None of the above is necessary, Supe. It's just not.

As I have reported here before, it seems crystal clear to me that a person's relationship with God is intensely and completely personal. That's between God and that person. It further seems crystal clear to me that 1) we are supposed to behave in a certain way and that way involves discipline and 2) We in fact do not behave the way we should. We are fallen creatures.

Uh, huh.

Gays' vigorous negative reaction to the Church's recent declaration that homosexuals are "disordered" was predictable. The Church does, and will continue to, regard homosexuality as "disordered," and will continue to declare sexual relations with same-sex partners as sinful. The Church will not pretend that good behavior is convenient. The Church will not tell the world what it wishes to hear.

"The Church" needs to remain moral, no matter who it may upset. If being homosexual isn't immoral, then they need to convince the church through study of scripture that it is not. The church, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, or other cannot "reinterpret" religious doctrine based on "1990's feelings", wouldn't work, some things need be immutable.

[b][quote]But I just wanted to post here my observation that it's not just homosexuals who are "disordered." You all know I feel sorry for humans. I do. We are all broken, and here is an example that I think relates to the current Church announcement. I confess I stole this example from CS Lewis:

We all have appetites. Homosexuals like rubbing peepees with other same-sex folks. Heteros like other-sex peepees. Most of us enjoy a nice ice cream treat. Many of us can appreciate a tender rib eye steak with a baked potato and perhaps an artichoke or yellow squash. Baked Copper-River salmon is heavenly. Et cetera. But have you ever seen folks go to the movie house to watch someone else eat a delicious meal. That's what we sometimes do with sex. X-rated movies and videos are fairly popular. Strip joints, too. So if we wouldn't go watch someone else enjoy a delicious meal, why would we go watch someone bone a bimbo?

If your treatise is accurate, then violent pedophiles are to be tolerated, since they "have appetites" under your moral philosophy.

Heteros are just as twisted as homos. If people had a better appreciation for the broken condition of the earthbound human, the perhaps we would be less likely to get our panties (or boxers, whatever) in a wad over Church statements that we know darned well are entirely true.

No, that's not true. When scripture says that everyone is a sinner, it doesn't mean a "sexual" sinner.

Stifling urges is not unique to Christians with homosexual inclinations. Nature, as Katherine Hepburn once said "is what we are put here to rise above."

Extra bonus points for the first person who can place that quote.

Irrelevant. What is relevant is that government schools are teaching sociofascist ideology, which includes teaching that invasions of countries like Iraq is Okay.