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Originally posted by m21sniper
The Neocons are thoroughly discredited. No one will be buying any of their ideas any time soon.

I would hope not, but these sleaze bags have been around a long time, and won't be snuffed out by one gigantic failure. They're already in advance CYA mode, shifting the blame where they can, and denying that they favored an invasion despite their positions being in print. You might find this article in The American Conservative interesting.

You certainly cannot attribute the leader of the UAE telling Tommy Franks directly, "Saddam has the Biologicals" as "Israeliphile neoconservative rambling."
(Source, American Solider)

No, but I can state categorically that nearly everything written in the National Review, The Weekly Standard, and put out by "The Project for the New American Century" to be so. All neocon outlets, with the appearance of having been funded by AIPAC.

We have the attention span of a knat whether a cause is right or wrong. We wouldn't have had so many rights stolen from right under our nose if we paid any attention to what was going on at all. Which i am SURE you will agree with.

Almost all of those rights access have disappeared as a result of government warfare. The US government has done this over and over again, it's a pattern that's easily discernable if you stand at the near end of the 20th century and look back to 1898. H. L. Mencken said it best, "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. " and "The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable." You can read more of his statements here.

I personally do not feel the war in Iraq was 'wrong minded', even if it has been horribly implemented. Why shouldn't the Iraqi people get a break from Saddam and his son's tyranny? Sure you can offer the OPINION that it's not worth the cost in blood and treasure, and that we screwed it up, but we all got to vote through our representatives, and we voted overwhelmingly to take Saddam out based on the best available information.

My position isn't that the Iraqi's shouldn't have a break from Hussein and lead as good a life as I've had, my position is that there is no amount of treasure and blood that can give that to them, they must get it for themselves if they want it. It's not clear to me that they do.

So we were wrong about some aspects of our motivation for war. Whoops. It's happened before. I have no doubt it will happen again. Best to learn the lesson WELL(for once) so that it doesnt happen again, but that still does not mean surrender is a viable option.

We can do this. We must make the US government small enough that it's again afraid of us, fearful of an overseas military adventure, and completely subservient to America and Americans.

The enemy we are fighting will only take it as a sign of encouragement, like any bully would. THAT is MY opinion, and it's every bit as legitimate as yours.

The most dangerous, in fact the only real enemy of America and Americans, is the US government itself. Compared to that, everything else is no more bothersome than a gnat buzzing about your head.