[DavidI]

Originally posted by m21sniper
BTW, from a coldly neutral AAR standpoint, this part is a flagrant tactical failure on the part of the training officer and young cop. A suspect exiting his car is an overt cue that the situation is potentially extremely dangerous, and should've IMMEDIATELY spurred both officers into their threat response training. I believe any police instructor would probably say the same thing.

Their stories will surely be told in academy's all over America as what not to do from this day forth. Real shame, cause in reality it is almost impossible to "always be ready", and this crap always happens at the worst possible moment, like when you're getting your pen out of your pocket(or whatever). I offer my condolences to the guys and their families.

"There are two kinds of soldiers, the quick and the dead."
~old army saying

Wow, snipey and I agree on something! I don't know what the officers were thinking when they stopped the car in the initial stop. You can be sure we will analyze the tactics used and train to make sure it does not happen again. This bad guy was extremely aggressive, somewhat following military tactics. You are also right that an officer cannot be readly to engage someone on every single stop. That is why we do not call traffic stops "routine." We call them unknown.

David