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Originally posted by Superman
Dubya gets pinned, Island. Saddam's murders are not on his hands, but he does have responsibility for a decision that is widely criticized and some strategic and tactical ineptitude that many consider to be inexcusable. That's the question raised by the thread-starter. Back to that. Focus.
I don't think it was worth it. We've made a big splash in Iraq. Enough to cement our reputation as a violent, interfering nation with imperial interests. Just exactly why they hate us in the first place. For exporting Western values (or lack thereof) and capitalism. Disguised as "democracy."
Then again, one of the victories here will be the death of the guy who tried to assasinate Dubya's dad. That and the longshot chance to be considered a genius in the history books, is what Dubya's decisions was all about. He'll achieve the revenge part this week. The genius part......well.......I think thousands of American lives have been gambled on a big loser. I think history will use Dubya as an example of the worst kind of bonehead decision-maker. The most wrong-headed president in our nation's history.
Back to you......
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Originally posted by DavidI
Superman, that was exceptionally stated! I agree 100%
David
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I only agree 80%.
Lyndon Johnson was a much bigger moron who killed about 12x as many American boys while also simultaneously ripping at the very fabric of US society.
Bush is an idiot, but c'mon, in the grand scheme of things, 100 years from now, Iraq will be a mere historical footnote, and compared to Johnson, Bush is a minor league moron. Iraq isn't even "really" Bushes fault because he took very bad advice from a lot of people he thought he could trust, including a lot of these 'vaunted' foriegn leaders. What is Bush's fault was that he not only listened to them, but listened to them for SOOOOOO long.
We all seem to want to forget that 27 nations were wrong about Iraq, including virtually every respected intel agency on Earth. Saddam WANTED Iran to think he had WMD. Like dupes, we bought his lie hook, line, and sinker. A lie that was never really even directed at us to begin with. Saddam for his part is also at least as stoopid because even on the eve of war he outright dismissed the possibility that the US REALLY WAS coming to get him this time. Only as US forces finally closed in on the outskirts of Baghdad did he fully understand just how mistaken he was too.(source Cobra II)
I think the bottom line here is that everyone was wrong about everything.
