[holtjv]

There's a lot to be said about a car such as an old Porsche with a MT; very involved, great driver feedback, fun to drive, etc.

But a sedan with a MT is a pita--really the reason I got rid of my M5 after 3-4 months. The only way to feel like I was going fast, or to hear the engine was if I was going +120mph--way too dangerous for a dad. Maybe the old M5s or even the new M3s are more involved and fun to drive (thus justifying shifting)--the newer Audi's are certainly disconnected from the road and offer little driving excitement unless you're pushing the safety envelope.

I told my co-worker this theory and he thought it was stupid. He drove my SC and, at a whopping 70mph said, "damn! this is fun!"

He just bought an S4 and admitted, "now I know what you meant about your M5."

Jack