[sroeser]

The dealer initially offered $14,000 for a 2003 GC Overland and when I pulled out the NADA guide printout which showed an average trade-in value at $15,200, they bumped it to $14,875.

I'm less upset about the amount than I am about the fact that the guy refused to initially offer his best price.

The salesguy -- from whom we bought 2 GCs in 2003 and who's been doing this for 15+ years -- calls himself a "Your family car salesman," and totally promotes repeat business and loyalty.

And when I said that I don't NEED to buy a new car I WANT a new car, so don't ***** me around. He didn't listen.

The only possible hiccup could be that the 06 Rubicon was at another dealer, but I always thought that dealers trade vehicles like kids trade baseball cards.

My next approach is to have a service manager I know at another dealer nearby introduce me to his dealer's GM. If a deal can't be reached, then I jump back in time and get another CJ-7.