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bit my lip on this for awhile, waiting to see if anyone had the light bulb go off.

under az. ccw laws(which are damn near verbatum as utahs), anyone with a ccw would be bound by the law to back up that officer. legally, morally, and ethically.

you can bet that officer didnt say to wifey, " i think i'll pack (4) clips tonight for dinner, case the crap goes down." and from what i have read and heard so far it was only (1) he emptied. at about the time his action froze open, expelling last shell, i'm sure he was wishing to god for BACK UP! any kind of back up! cop or ccw.

since non of us know the particulars, its fair enough to say he was a good shot, and stopped the mayhem. cops as well as ccw have different levels of enthusiasm when it comes to practice. you have your "ra-ra" GI JOE mentality, your laid back "what me worry" attitude, etc. since cops have to qualify and ccw have to qualify, its a fair assumption they can hit what they aim at in a stress situation. dont fool yourself...........most people in a stress situation rise to the occasion and actually perform very well.

yesterday upon leaving airport im going thru town and see 5 cops at bank, stringing crime tape. WTF? as i continue down road, here comes unmarked detective and fire truck, paramedic truck-lights /sirens. it would be safe to assume, something bad happened. no mention on any news channel last night. crime tape isnt used for someone having a stroke or falling off a step.(lots of elderly here-snowbirds). so im betting the bank got hit and they were armed. 2nd time here in a year! different banks.

now if any of you or myself were in that bank and weapons were drawn demanding money, it wouldnt take long to figure out who is good and who is bad.

at that point, in the bank or mall, you would automatically take left hand and pull shirt or jacket back, while right hand is drawing weapon , all the while seeking cover, and placing sights on bad guy. as soon as you had clear shot, trigger would be pulled on bad guy. sounds simple....................IT IS! especially when you practice. and even if you dont practice its just like riding a bike..........YOU DONT FERGET!....................EVER!

anybody thats been around firearms, and even those who havent know a sound that is common and a sound that is not common. a gunshot going off anywhere in public aside from range/dezert/forest, is something you look for its whereabouts. its an unnatural sound in public. use combat vets as an example. car backfires and they duck for cover. i hear a round anywhere and i duck for cover and look for its origin. and im not a combat vet. just trained to find source of shot.

if you were in mall, and you heard sound, you would for the most part automatically duck and seek source of sound. a guy in a trench coat firing a shotgun would be a clue he is bad guy. since you now see dead people, your flight or fight reaction would take place instantly! blood pressure would raise, seek cover, round in pipe, safety off, all as you were trained. when shot presented itself..............99.8% of us would then empty the ******* clip, then reload, under cover, and if threat not over empty clip again when target presented itself again.

off hand shooting will get you collateral damage. practiced target acquisition, will put threat down. a steady hand is an accurate shot. notice how cops are trained in 2 hand weapons stance as well as ccw's. cop being trained professional was probably counting shotgun blasts, and when he counted 9(most extendo tubes), thats when he made is move, and took threat out. remains to be seen the details.

bottomline.............if cop wasnt there, more people would be dead. once again...........in the old west, which is where i live, there were less shootings, period. everyone was armed. today more bad guys(more drugs) w/guns and less good people with guns. if everyone was armed...............less crime!
Old 02-14-2007, 08:18 AM
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