[wludavid]

My Dad lost his father when he was about 16; not to a heart attack but to mental illness. Naturally,his mom didn't work, so he had to scale up income and scale down education for awhile. I know the experience of losing his dad really shaped the way he interacts with me and my sister. I really can't imagine losing him when I was a kid. 18 would have been especially tough, as I was just getting out of the head-butting phase with him.

We're the lucky ones; we who are able to know our fathers as men. Jeff, YTNUKLR, and Arc, I'm sorry for your losses.