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JP, you hit the nail on the head.

Around here, it's about six month to two years before someone finally "gets it". There are a lot who leave in the first two years and never "get it", but they probably never will.

Chris,

Structured programming is taught, but not really enforced in assignments. We recruit heavily from Illinois State, UNI, BGSU and other midwest state schools. Like most things in college now days, students can whine or argue their way out of accountability for their work. We require a 3.5 or higher GPA to apply so we generally get the cream of the crop, but a general lack of accountability is still there among new graduates. (When I was in school from '96 - 2000, I noticed it then too.)