[JonyRR]

'An extremely simpleton view of the problem. Some of this might be necessary in the short term, but you've got to address the root causes of why people do things like this, not proliferate even more arms. The US is by far the most heavily armed society in the world, yet rather than this being a deterent, we have the highest levels of violence.'

blah, blah, blah.
that's got to be the most tripe-containing drivel I've heard from you, Mark.
I'm on the side of the Deltiod on this one.

If 5 students would have gotten up and returned fire, this would have been over in 1/2 a second.
If there would have been a couple of ex-marine gunney types there with their issue slabsides, this wouldn't have happened.

and mark11s, the cops show up WELL AFTER the event. as almost always, because they respond AFTER it goes down.
It's up to the CITIZENRY to deal with this as the citizenry is on the spot.
An Israeli friend of mine says it well...in Israel, this doesn't ahppen because the bad guy would never make it 50 feet against us.