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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
I have heard it argued that evil is the absence of good. Kind of like there is no "darkness"; it is the absence of light. Chew on that one for awhile.
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Another rationalization. Evil is the absence of good. R i g h t…. Ok, how does that apply to Osama, or Cho, or Hitler? Hitler was the absence of good… Hmmm… What does that really mean? How about “Evil is part of our universe, and there is no god to make it go away.” See how simple that is?
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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
The "slavery" of the Bible is far different than the "slavery" of today. It was often incured for a failure to pay debts, it may have been the spoils of war, etc. In any case it was law to set them free after a prescribed period of time, with all of their belongings, their entire family, etc. This is a great example of where some knowledge of the topic would prove helpful.
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This is purely a justification of slavery. You are saying that the slavery they had then was OK because it was for a failure to pay debts or spoils of war, or whatever. In my mind, there is no justification for slavery, any where, any time. Yet you are justifying it. How about “The slavery in the bible was put there by ruthless men, not a loving god.” See how easy and sensible that answer is? (And I don’t see how theological knowledge would have been helpful. Slavery is wrong, no matter what. That the bible advocates it, and people accept that, is beyond theology. It is absurd, plain and simple.)
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Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Just stirrin' it up. Also, as I alluded to in my answer to livi a few days ago, to see who could ponder the moral questions raised outside of "God". Only the first few bullets even mentioned Him. The entire ensuing discussion has been about Him. In that manner, I believe I have made a point. Mention "morals" and "God" in the same breath and the atheists will only hear "God" and completely tune out on the "morals". As a matter of fact, they will fight tooth and nail against any morals, no matter how basic and common-sense, if there is any connotation of God involved in them whatsoever. I find that rather telling.
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The entire discussion was not about him, so no, you have not made a point. My objection to your opening post was based on your logic. My objection had nothing to do with god or morals. You mentioned a few children whom god did not help and I mentioned millions of others that he has not helped. That’s a simple error in logic, nothing more, nothing less. I see lots of errors in logic when it comes to mainstream Christianity. And since your opening premise was faulty, any conclusions you draw from it are invalid.