[Jeff Higgins]

O.k. Kang, I give up. You win. You are clearly incapable of giving any thought whatsover to anything that does not rear right up and hit you right between the eyes. Subtler points are clearly lost on you. You appraoch this as some kind of contest, in which you need to continually demonstrate you are right; in which there are "winners" and "losers". Typical internet forum bravado bull*****. You will never learn anything that way. Ironic, though, that you consistantly choose a topic in which you admittedly have little knowledge.

Edited - personal attack removed. -Z-man.

There are degrees of good, just as there are degrees of light. I know this is too sublime, too difficult for you to grasp in your need to be confrontational, in your need to "win" the "debate"; in your purely black and white perspective. Your examples were shades of gray; those men were a mix of good and evil, just like the rest of us. Towards the darker end of the spectrum, but not totally lacking in "good". That's probably too hard to grasp in your little black and white world. You appear to see these men as "bad" with no potential for good whatsoever. How unimaginative.

Just as with your view of slavery. I will begin by pointing out I never condoned it at any level - just said it was "different" in Biblical times. I would suggest you educate yourself as to how. The word does not carry the same connotations as it does in your severely limited modern understanding of it. The Bible nowhere "advocates" it; it chronicles it. Do you understand the difference? Probably not...

Your last point is such a desperately childish lunge for a "win" that is almost does not warrent a response. No one can argue that this thread has not been almost entirely about God. Not much has been mentioned about the moral questions raised. So yes, I did make a point. Folks like you are altogether too eager to blather on about "God"; a topic which you have already admitted you know little. Don't let that stand in your way, though. You go, girl. Signing off now...