One positive thing I will say about the NASCAR fans and the off track action at the Glen is that crowd definitely has a lot of fun. I have done the camping thing with my brother and a few of our buds in his RV down in the "bog" during the race week and that race must surely cause a beer shortage elsewhere in upstate NY. It is nothing like the clannish SCCA bunch(a small bunch for sure), or even the Rolex crowd. A few years ago I awoke at the crack of dawn and all I could see from the camper door was beer cans glinting in the sun between the RV's, and all I could hear was sounds of snoring and farting in the distance. Bravo NASCAR fans