[911Rob]

I've said it before....... "the best thing a parent can teach their children is to fail"

My kids get their independence around 15; treated like an adult and become accountable for their actions. As parents, we must sit back and watch our children fail; however there is not a winner anywhere in the world that didn't fail; so if you want your kids to be winners; they'll have to learn how to fail. It's how they fail that matters.

A loser can't teach a winner. A winner can be self taught though.

I'd agree with the post by Legion; afterall, he's a winner. Parents can't be hovering over their kids so much, there's a line. In society today; the line has been faded, moved and has become very hard to see; this being one of the mildest examples of that obscurred line.

Nothing wrong with family values and families being close. I love it and its one of the reasons I cherish my Italian friends so much....... terrific family values in their culture.

Thanks for the post Legion!