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WON- Putting your hands in the air is not cooperating or following instruction! Getting face down on the ground is! That's the first verbal instruction given in situations like this. If you knew anything about hand to hand combat, having your hands raised in the air actually place you at an advantage for striking first. Placing your hands in the air is NOT following instructions, and is actually considered a hostile and aggressive move. It's so EASY to Monday morning quarterback about what happened the day before by watching a video. Especially by folks like you, who know NOTHING about police tactics or training, yet claim to be the resident expert!

How many people would follow the instruction of 4 armed police officers shortly after you destroyed a computer, then through a chair against a glass door? I would venture to say most would... Allow yourself to be placed into custody, THEN talk to the officers and explain yourself when the officers no longer perceive you as a threat. Considering the absolutely bizarre, aggressive, and non-compliant behavior exhibited by the suspect, I think the officers exercised extreme restraint in not using lethal force. Let's not forget, this gentleman died 10 hours after the incident occurred. I would be very interested to find out about the coroner's report.

The victims bizarre behavior is consistent with someone under the influence of PCP, however, he really didn't look like the type of individual that would smoke PCP. Keep in mind, while being tazed, it still took 3 officers to place mechanical restraints on him. This type of superhuman strength is also consistent with someone under the influence of PCP. WON- unless you've actually attempted to place an individual in restraints when they are under the influence of ANY controlled substance, I think you might change your tone... Or I would at least hope you would! I wasn't actually there, so I wouldn't be able make the conclusive statements that you have. Just curious, how long have you been a use of force expert?
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