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Originally Posted by Herr-Kuhn
There seems to be a lot of bad information floating about
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And you felt the need to add some more I see.
How nice.
About your points:
#1 – FACT – your asking price for the hot side parts on the 16V system is higher than what I spent on my entire supercharger setup on my 81.
#2 – This is a very open issue that has many factors as you already pointed out. I’ve driven turbo cars and supercharged cars with no midrange, some with no upper end, some with no low end……
#3 – I don’t recall anyone saying this anywhere. I must have missed that post.
You talk about “excellent road manners” and point towards the turbo……when was the last time you actually drove a centrifugal supercharged 928? My wife and Tim’s wife have zero issues driving our cars.
My wife had the “pleasure” of driving my friends turbo car a few times. Bone stock, she hated it. Made comments about “sudden power surge”. I explained how a turbo works, what lag is etc… She said “yea, that is what’s happening, I don’t like that”. She loves driving my 81.
I like how you say “the” twin turbo system, when there are at least two others in the works.
#4 – This
can be true if the design is poor. There have been Turbo 928’s in the past that experienced timing belts that melted due to some parts being too close. I don’t see how this is possible with a supercharger. I am not trying to imply your setup will suffer from this (I know it won’t). Just sayin.
#5 – So manufacturers install heat resistant exhaust valves (sodium filled in 951’s) and coated exhaust ports for marketing reasons? Factory built supercharged cars do not have these modifications.
#6 – To some this is a major concern, to others it’s not an issue. Still worth addressing, and you did cut holes in the body for your setup.
#7 – I disagree, just my opinion. You don’t have to like it.
#8 – I’m not a supercharger salesmen, but I have driven quite a few factory (non modified) turbo systems. Every single one suffered from lag that was unacceptable to me. This even includes new cars from VW & Audi.
In fact, a friend of mine just purchased a 4.2 V8 Audi A6 over the turbo version due to lag.
#9 – The engine bay of your cars is awesome. I wasn’t aware the main reason to buy your kit is looks.
#10 – You First. Bring your car to Road America and we’ll see after 10 laps who is in front. You, Swaybar, or Jean-Louis. Word of caution, if Jean-Louis was in a stock 78, he would probably still win. So maybe his wife Agnes should drive instead.
#11 – This is sad John, even for you.
You seam to imply that if Todd and Tim wanted to build a turbo car, they couldn’t figure it out or design a good one. They choose not to, big difference.
Who sounds like a used car salesmen now?
Oh yea, I almost forgot. You seam to think every dyno chart that has come from the centrifugal camp is bogus and falsified. Yet we go the extra distance and use four different dyno’s in our area on a regular basis. All tests are run the same way (4th gear for manual cars). You like to imply otherwise.
If all goes as planned we will be at the dyno sometime this winter, and I’m sure Todd will be back on the dyno soon. You are more than welcome to supervise the operation.
I did not see anyone from the “supercharger camp” ripping on your kit. But, like always, you seam to take anything said negative towards turbo’s as a whole, personally.
These are NOT direct jabs towards you, many people wish you would stop taking them as such. Turbo setups are not perfect, they have negatives. Sorry if pointing them out offends you.
Starting a thread like this looks like someone in "reactionary mode".