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Originally Posted by MRM
That's not what res ipsa means, but I take your point. Show me corrupt actions on Obama's part and I'll join your denounciation. In the mean time I applaud serious investigation by the Times, even when it's someone else's Times. I just don't think that based on the evidence at hand it is fair to say Obama "surrounds" himself with corrupt people. To say that and then challenge him to prove he's not corrupt is one of the famous fallacies of rhetoric taught by Plato himself.
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I was speaking to the legal doctrine, not the literal meaning in Latin.
Still, I've been close to Chicago politics for decades, and I've seen this thing dozens of times before: Dan Rostenkowski, George Ryan, Blago, many...many....many...many Chicago Alderman and Cook County board members.... I've also seen dozens of scandals in the Daley Administration that alway, suspiciously, stop just short of the top. Heck, my little sister has had to bribe aldermen to make BS traffic tickets go away...
When Obama was running for the State Senate, he miraculously went from "outsider" to "insider" over the course of that campaign. That just doesn't happen in Chicago--without making the right connections. And those connections expect payback as long as you are in office. This is just how it works. There's an awful lot of smoke around this guy, and you're asking me to prove there's a fire without seeing any flames.