[Danimal16]

There are good discussions on each side of the coin. But how we got into this mess, is for a later discussion. I think the Iraqi people are worth it. BUT our challenge is not f***ing up our departure and not f***ing the Iraqis any further. There are many things in the balance, saving face for the US, F that. We need to deal with the reality of what we are in at this point and time and make it right. It is going to take some hard work and some good minds to unF this but it can be done. Pulling out lock stock and barrel is not the answer, so Pelicanites why not look at putting the entire collection of brainpower on these forums toward a discussion of how we get out. That is the challenge. (IMHO)