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Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post
Fixed that for you, }{

Fact is, unless you have the car in a drift in that off-ramp, your performance issues are due to you finding the limits of your driving, not the tires.

I know how you feel. I used to be the guy trying to carve it up on the street too, whining about how my ES100s got "too greasy" on the off ramps Then I took those ES100s to the track and watched an instructor drive them 10x harder that I ever did. I realized at that moment that it wasn't the tires that were crap, it was my driving.

I know that may not be what you want to hear. There have been many of us who have done this and realized all the things that were thought were car issues (tires, suspension, etc) were really our own driving issues. It's not a dismissal, either. It's pointing out that for the average street driver, the single biggest difference in tire performance is the driver. Buy a set of cheap Kuhmos and spend the rest on DEs. You'll end up a better driver than if you dumped a bunch of money on the SO2s.

You want to know how long the tire will last? Look at the wear rating.
You want a tire that will stick? Buy R-compounds.

Good luck in your search.
+1!

I've heard good things about the Kuhmo MX, but don't have personal experience. I've heard they are great on the street, very good for AX, but melt when pushed on DE's.
I've had really good luck with Falken 451/452's on street driving, but were rendered useless during DE's! They had amazing grip in the wet and dry street driving. Another tire to very seriously consider is the Hankook RS2. IMHO, you won't find a stickier non-DOT R street tire for the money! My only complaint, they didn't hold up to heat cycling before tread wore out. I used them for street driving, and a lot of DE use too. I still had + 3/32nds of tread left, but they couldn't take any more heat cycles without becoming useless after 5 minutes on the track. The RS2's are the perfect candidate if you mainly use for street, AX, and maybe a few DE's. I was really beating the crap out of mine at the track, and that's why they fell off so quickly!
RS2's and 452's can be had for cheap here! www.edgeracing.com

I finally switched to RA1's, as my car is now used 90% for track days. It has initially lowered my track time by 5 seconds a lap on a 2.5 mile road coarse (WSIR.) While superb for track use, the RA1 for just street use would be idiotic. My car feels sloppy on the street & freeway going to the track. The tires don't turn on until you have significant heat built up in them. The kind of heat you won't have until several squad cars & a helicopter are chasing you!
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