WTF Ronin? For a second I thought my computer skipped to a different thread
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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile
It's a Ponzi scheme when you get right down to it.
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Apparently, if the Government does it, it is not illegal. Seen it a million times
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Originally Posted by Moses
I think he's lamenting the grossly misspent PUBLIC MONEY. The firefighters benefit package is an unwarranted and shameful waste of public resources.
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Ding, ding
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Originally Posted by boba
Who voted for those politicians anyway, and is still putting them in office?
That's who you should turn your anger on. Not the person who took the job, did the work and expected that the contract he was offered be honored.
It may have been a bad deal for the taxpayers but they let it happen, they voted for it over and over.
BTW life is not fair.
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mostly Democrats, in California anyway
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Originally Posted by fintstone
Firefighters, police, govt employees...if they have such a great deal, why didn't you guys sign up?
Moses...aren't you a doctor?
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do you actually read this stuff before you reply?
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Originally Posted by milt
That seems pretty far from the point.
You know, I've heard all my life about people who are a lot like some on this thread. I've never really met that many personally because I guess I had nothing in common with them. Both my grandfathers an my dad worked right up until the end. I've never known any other way.
And for chrissakes, let's not find out my ol' buddy the 98K pension man gets SS too. I'd take up arms to stop that.
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I would be willing to bet a ton of cash(say 100K a year for 25 years)he gets SS also
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Originally Posted by Dottore
Of those options, the only sane one is the last one.
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So if it is not what you think it is insane,
groovy
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Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad
Makes me wonder if these types of concessions will become national if the Democrats control Congress and the White House.
The Democrats have traditionally gotten a significant amount of their power base from unions. That base is eroding somewhat due to the social stances of the liberal Democrats. I suspect that the Democrats are using these sorts of things to shore up their support...
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Now you understand why the Dalai Obama makes me concerned about the future
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Originally Posted by varmint
this is how they manipulate people. of course we'd all like to give money to firefighters. but giving huge benefits packages to government employees unions is how california wound up 40 billion in debt a few year ago.
remember, gray davis upped the prison guard's retirement plan by a few hundred million, while they donated 40,000 to his re election campaign.
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It is $20 billion, and that was a few days ago, in addition to the few years ago episode.