[70SATMan]

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

First, yes, my 2 and 4 year olds would have certainly asked a number of questions if we encountered two men making out in front of Peter Pan's Ride. Am I afraid of those men? No. Certainly not. However, I think there is a certain time and place to introduce children to things in the world. I also would not sit with my kids while they showed footage of war casualties on television. Nor would I sit with my kids and put on a porn flick. I also would not sit with my kids and watch an R rated movie.

Here is where I fathom some hypocrisy in your example. Your entire premise is based on two men kissing. Had it been a man and a woman kissing, I don't get the impression we would be having this discussion. At any rate you are clearly comparing two men kissing to violence and porn. Quite a jump in extremities. Do you really see them equally?

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

I think that kids should reach a certain level of maturity before they are exposed to certain material. You may disagree, that's ok...

Don't disagree with you there at all. I expect that discretion in myself and practice it with other children.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

As far as your morals, I was simply referring to the fact that you apparently think it is ok for kids under the age of 5 to witness homosexual make out fests. I personally don't think that is ok. So, your morals are a bit looser than mine on that subject.

You are highly exaggerating what I wrote and are incorrect. My comments described my belief that children of that age do not really discriminate sexually. You would be highly surprised. Lots of hugging and kissing going on with no care nor question of gender. There are some Ped. Docs on board I believe. Would love to hear what they think as well. I highly doubt your 2 yr old would ask you specifically why the men were kissing any more than seeing a man and a woman. Equal curiosity. Especially if exposed to open displays of affection at home.

I'm going to assume you had the good fortune of having your father while growing up. Was your father openly affectionate with you as a very young boy? Did he kiss you? Did you ever hesitate to kiss him? Did your dad bother to explain that it was not a Gay kiss or did he just say he loved you. I'm taking this to the extreme but, I hope you see my following, sure to be long-winded point.

I grew up in an openly affectionate house. My parents kissed and hugged in front of us..would not hesitate to pinch each other or chase each other around in play. There was always laughter in my house (when my sis's and I wasn't fighting). I grew up watching my grandfather kiss my dad up until he died. I grew up without the hesitation of hugging and giving my dad a kiss as a show of affection. I'm 44, still do it. I don't ever recall my father having to explain that even though as a man he kissed me that it wasn't Gay. As a result of that environment , my kids have grown up in a happy house and I'm proud to have passed on 4 generations of that kind of love. Long story short, just because children ask questions does not mean you have to give them them complete answers. You could have easily answered with "because they love each other" IF they had asked rather than with "because they are deviant homosexuals who just want to fuch". That is of course entirely dependent whether you think the gay couple is deserving of love.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Lastly...thinking they were Disney characters? Are you serious? Yeah, I can see it now...

For the most part yes. I was playing on your derogatory "flaming" adjective.

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Lastly, I still don't get your idea of just staying home or going to Branson or whatever stereotype you are talking about.

SHRUG.....I already explained that. If you do not want the risk of exposing your children to what you think is morally irrehensible then you have no recourse other than isolating them completely. Exactly what I said. Or you can pick venues that minimize the risk. Branson, MO (theme type park) would qualify for that. Been there many times (grew up in Illinois)

Originally Posted by Nathans_Dad

Would it be ok with you if I said the same to the gay people? Hey, you don't like my world, then stay home. Seems pretty intolerant to me

Absolutely OK! You are just confirming your right to live your life by saying "this is me, you don't have to like it". You are not saying "You have to love me" though are you?. Gay people who are uncomfortable in your circle have the option of staying home.

Just like they can say "hey if you don't like my Gay Parade, you don't have to march". If you are uncomfortable in their circle you have the option of going home.

I'm sure Byron would tell you to pack sand if you walked into one of his "special clubs" and complained about the lap dance he was getting. He has that right and you didn't have to walk in.

Bottom line is you went anyway and complained about Disney not warning you . THey have as much control over that type of unofficial event as they do if a troup of boy scouts decided to show up.

Now, they do have the responsibility of policing the behavior and dress of their patrons within reason. I would expect them to throw out a young guy/girl couple fornicating in the open in front of Cinderella's castle as quickly as two guys, two girls or Two Mules for Sarah". However squemish it might make you, two guys kissing is not a valid reason. Even if its 200 female couples kissing all over the park.